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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege#Chronology_of_events_April_19

17 years ago today YOUR GOVERNMENT DESTROYED seventy-six people, including more than 20 children, and two pregnant women.

It doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are. In the USA you're entitled to believe whatever you want. This is unacceptable in ANY country.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

To paraphrase a certain Mr. Garcia, "For me, the lame part of life is the political part, the social part. The real part is the spiritual part."

And since I espouse that ideology, I can not judge who was right, nor wrong in the situation you referenced. I can only extend positive thoughts, vibes and prayers to all who were directly involved. My judgments, in the total scheme of things, are quite meaningless. I can judge only those things over which I have direct control and hope that I am wise enough to realize when I am right, strong enough to admit when I am wrong and intelligent enough to learn from my mistakes and grow into a better person for it.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Thanks for not suggesting that children deserve to die for being swayed by people you consider crazy.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 20, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Though death is an inescapable reality, I'm not sure who "deserves to die". I know, as a natural fact, that as the old song says, "Death Don't Have No Mercy".

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 19, 2010 9:12am
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My government?

Dude, it was hijacked many, many years ago.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Hey--I am gonna use that next time skies pays a visit and asks me to clean up around here: "My Forum? My Forum was hijacked a long time ago, kiddo"

Well, okay...not really, and it's not mine, but maybe then she'll leave me alone...come to think of it, I guess she has.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Koresh was an egotistical religious con-man on par with Jim Jones. He made those people totally dependent on him and then raped their children. Did the FBI fuck up? Probably. But you really need to find another hero.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

ughhh....chalk one up for the media

EDIT: I never said he was my hero. All I'm saying is "REMEMBER". the ATF building in OK isn't the only thing that went down on this day in history.


EDIT2: Albert Hoffman took a bike ride this day in history too :)

This post was modified by stealyourwife on 2010-04-19 19:51:22

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Apr 19, 2010 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Only seventy six that day? Hell that's nothing like the good old days when we used to get hundreds of savages with just one blanket. Get WAY over it.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:11am
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you're disgusting

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

What Koresh did to those children was disguting and repugnant, What fear tactics and brainwashing that sick fuck Koresh hosted on his "followers" was disgusting. To use children as your your sheild is no worse than the fuckin Taliban. Your a sick fuck for bringin your usual bag of shit to this MUSIC forum.

Airborne !!! Bitch Kill em all let God sort'em out

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

You wanna see how easily minds are twisted?

ask yourself what you would do if some foreign country invaded YOUR town and started murdering innocent people.

You would gather up your wives and kids, barricade the door and wait.

See how the tables turn? the invaders then get to call YOU, hippie64, a coward piece of shit for hiding behind your wife and kids when you were just instinctively protecting your family.

So who's mind is really got twisted here hippie64?

You might wanna research the facts and violations on the rules of engagement that day before you resort to calling me names for taking you out of your comfort zone.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

No foreign countries were invading anyone in Waco, Texas.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

He tried to saying they were no worse than the Taliban cuz he believes anything the mainstream media throws at him.

I mean, look at this guy who has the audacity so call himself "hippie64" and then post shit like this:

"Airborne !!! Bitch Kill em all let God sort'em out"

If nothing at least my post could possibly show the true nature of some of these so called "hippies"

High time for some introspection perhaps.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)


Are/were you a Branch Dividian? Just curious because that rant seems a little odd...

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

fuck no, i'm an AMERICAN!

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:15pm
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Oh...Well...An AMERICAN. Thanks for clearing that up. For a minute there I thought you were an brainwashed militia member who idolizes David Koresh and spends his spare time trolling about Waco on a GD forum.....Sorry for the mistake.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

My Air Cav unit was full of "hippies" , But what the hell would you know about service, duty, honor,

SSt.(ret) Bradley H. @#$$%^^
1st Sqrn. 1st Cavalry 1st Regiment of Draggons

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Damn...missed all the fun on this one. Freakin' work interfering with my internet time......

Anyway....
Just wanted to say Thank You to Hippie64 for your service!!!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:52pm
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It was my pleasure. amino et fide !

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

sorry but your rank and title doesn't validate anything

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Don't need ANY validation, Especially someone who post a WIKI entry for that garbage LMFA (you now the rest) A friggin Wiki article, Now I'm really laughin and it is at your expense , sorry to f-ing funny A wiki link OMG Christ , I'm worried about this country, When your gonna base your hate on a WIKI article Your really Sarah Palin masquradeing right?

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I don't get it. There's no contention on that article meaning that it's been picked over and verified pretty well. Clearly you don't understand how wikipedia works. If you know something on there that's untrue or can't be verified, you're welcome to challenge it.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Incidentally, you REALLY don't know how wikipedia works if you didn't notice that there are three pages' worth of archives of contentious discussion regarding that article! No contention on that subject, are you serious?

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Morons like you should stay away from any "wiki" until you pass an intelligence test. You fail so far.
BTW you can take the tin foil hat off it's obsolete.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

No, *you* don't know how wikipedia works. Just because an article does not have evidence of conflict on the talk pages does *not* mean therefore the article is all true and correct. Whew!

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

17 years later with all the references at the bottom, do you think this is some obscure issue that nobody cares about? have you bothered reading it? what would be a better source? institutional reading materials like "encyclopedia brittanica" or maybe fox news? msnbc? cnn?

there's links throughout the wiki if you feel something is false you can see their sources...does mainstream media offer anything like that?

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
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17 years later with all the references at the bottom, do you think this is some obscure issue that nobody cares about? have you bothered reading it? what would be a better source? institutional reading materials like "encyclopedia brittanica" or maybe fox news? msnbc? cnn?

there's links throughout the wiki if you feel something is false you can see their sources...does mainstream media offer anything like that?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:21pm
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I'm not sure if you're replying to me, but no, I wouldn't recommend Fox or MSNBC etc. Waco isn't a topic I'm an expert on, but the behavior of religious cults is a topic I'm quite familiar with. If I were you I'd look for more objective scholarly or journalistic reportage on the topic, not roam around the internet reading about it, 'cus that's going to be mostly conspiracy buffs. Even high school kids know wikipedia doesn't cut it as a critical source. Most articles on wikipedia related to controversial subjects are train wrecks with every comma and semi-colon disputed by partisans on either side of an issue, and the so-called moderators are often high school students themselves. People with an axe to grind on a particular topic will babysit "their" articles around the clock, or work in shifts to revert edits made by people they perceive as enemies. Take a look at pages related to Scientology, for instance.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I have refrained from posting myself because almost by defn anyone assoc with leading a "cult" is a criminal (and that goes for lots of mainstream religions...sorry).

I will bring it back to Jerry, as he defn had an issue with anyone that "had their fist out" and that, first and foremost, is what all the leaders of these wacko cults do/did...

Now, does that mean I defend my gobermint, right or wrong? No. But, I do know a cult when I see one...and this, was defn one...

And, for the record, NO, you do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on innocents (under 18). The constitution says so--too many whackos defend their fundamentally selfish behavior under the banner of religious freedom...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

So religious parents aren't allowed to talk about their beliefs with their children until they are 18?

But, it's okay to go the chain supermarkets, department stores, gas stations, day in and day out since the day you are born?

Consumerism and main-stream media becomes as much a religion as anything else...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:56pm
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I mis-spoke: you cannot do WHATEVER you want to them in the name of religion (ie, anything any reasonable individual would view as "harmful")...thus, you cannot deny medical care, generally, or allow for sacrifices, etc., etc.

You get the idea...within bounds, yes, you can; but not to the extreme of the cults in question (or even Mormons marrying off 12 yr old girls, right?).

And, I here on the other--but those are more "indirect" forms of harm, that you and I may agree on, but not everyone (ie, getting them fat on fast food, etc.).

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:08pm
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Thanks for the clarification. I am not coming out in support of power-hungry cult leaders, just wanted to support stealyourwife's assertion that the media and gov't will publicize a certain subjective perspective that makes the "normal" people seem vindicated.

Well these "normal" people may not copulate with 14 year olds, but their "normality" allows them to start wars all over the world during the course of which thousands of people are raped, abused, etc. What about all the secret shit the CIA/FBI does to accomplish some obscure agenda?

You get one guy brainwashing a compound of people in Texas and everyone flips a shit. There's millions of people brainwashed by the corporate media and gov't and either nobody bats an eye or says thats old news.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Actually, a lot of us have noticed things like that since the 60s!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:02pm
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This article includes a list of references or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate. (January 2009


I guess you din't see this one, alot of words and a lot of reading tough I know, I just looked at the page and found this one with a BIG RED QUESTION MARK beside it

Survey sez....Sarah Palin !

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:14pm
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I really don't know what you're talking about. I don't see anything with a BIG RED QUESTION MARK beside it.

And for the record, ad hom all you want, i don't support Palin. I support the constitution and you being a military man, took an oath to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic.

wake up man, stop attacking me and do some research of your own

EDIT: Ok, i see about half way down on the article concerning the "Trial" hahah, nice try... Seeing as how no Davidians won any subsequent trials, i'm sure that the contentions were made by them and not your precious government.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Red and white, blue suede shoes, I'm Uncle Sam, how do you do?
Gimme five, I'm still alive, ain't no luck, I learned to duck.
Check my pulse, it don't change. Stay seventy-two come shine or rain.
Wave the flag, pop the bag, rock the boat, skin the goat.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:04am
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What part of "Come out with your hands up" DON"T you understand?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:09pm
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grate point! though the FBI should have gotten him when he was joggin or about town. Imo, Clinton and beastReno needed a threat and dumbass Korish complied and became one.

If anyone is stopped by an "Authority" - cops, FBI, DEA etc, be polite, friggin comply and don't be a dumbpunkass rebel.

"Yes sir, no sir" & state your case to the Judge, don't whine and fight the police! duh

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Or they'll HUFF
And they'll PUFF
And they'll BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!

I'm sure they understood the "come out with your hands up" just fine...what part of "WE HAVE BABIES IN HERE" and "OUR PHONE IS BROKEN, WE WANT A NEW PHONE" did the ATF not understand? They were willing to negotiate but they couldn't communicate.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:57pm
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how bout sending those babies out to safety...screw the phone, the situation was pretty obviously not going to go down nicely based on another phone conversation...

How about your hero "Korsch" going out to negotiate rather than hide behind brainwashed humans?

You should kiss the American flag right now because anywhere else people would not tolerate your half baked reasoning.
here you have feedome of speach, to express you twisted little thoughts.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

yeah, but for how long

wake up

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:33pm
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uhh that's a different topic, and your NOT helping the cause. Go read a book.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 9:27pm
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whatever man, you can keep acting like i support koresh and cult leaders all you want...doesn't make it true...

i'm supporting my constitutional rights, not total disregard for innocent human life.

i will go read a book. what are you gonna do? go burn a baby, toughguy

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:17am
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except the koresh was a criminal manipulator. My government just happens to be clumsy... Bad event bad example.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:20am
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"koresh was a criminal manipulator?" really, like the mafia or columbian drug lords? i seriously doubt it...i know people who knew him personally and say he was pretty much a regular guy who talked about Jesus...some criminal

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:49pm
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Get a grip. He had a cult! A stock pile of weapons. I'm sure he was a smooth talker to get as far as he did... He was just another Jim Jones.

Jesus? Sure talk all you want. You don't need a stock pile of weapons, you don't need a compound OR a Cult.
Trouble is when you go from talking about Jesus to thinking you are Jesus..... either way your way off base with this crap. It was shitty when it happened and is shitty now... you can't change it nor do you understand.

GO LISTEN TO SOME MUSIC....and stop it with Jesus, he has caused enough harm already....doubt he is thrilled.

Just be cool, o.k.





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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

You missed the point completely and like everyone else you assume I give a fuck about Koresh...

again, the government destroyed pregnant women and children... were they to blame for koresh's actions?

i think i've made my point and i'm done with this thread.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:02pm
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I recall the story and as I said it was sad but Koresh hand his hand in it way to deep. If he was any kind of man of honor or god he would have ended that standoff way before it came to that.

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I am a first time poster to this site. I have been reading about one of my fanorite bands of all time. I have learned a lot about the Dead and have listened to some great music here. But i had to respond to this post.
My country did not kill innocent people in Waco. They killed a crazy man and his followers. What happened there did not have to happen. They were given every chance to come out. Koresh was a child molester, rapist and major brainwasher on the lines of Jim Jones. And many other so called religious nuts. I don't know what bible or religion you believe in but the one I grew up with does not allow raping women and children in the name of God. He had all the time in the world to let those people be free to surrender to the FBI. But he and the followers of his choose not too, or were forced by Koresh not too. I am proud of my country and the FBI that they waited as long as they did to end this mess.
I don't know if you have children or are married. But if you suggest that this is o.k. then you are as sick as Koresh was.
What happened as a result of the FBI is a very horrible thing. But when you make a choice to break the law in this way you deserve to be punished. Plain and simple he was a child molester and rapist. And he got punished for it. End of story.
Thank you all for being here and teaching me a lot of music history, but I could not sit back and read this BULLSHIT and not respond.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:48pm
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"Plain and simple he was a child molester and rapist".
and so said Janet Reno...and she KNEW! aye?

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:53pm
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Oh well, i didn't realize St. Reno said so, silly me.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:08pm
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hmmm...was Reno also involved with Ruby Ridge?

Except for the current baffoon, she was THE worst AG ever. She wanted a big involved showdown and Korish complied. My guess would be that she did'nt want to take him into custody alone and went over the FBI's desire to take him alone.

Plenty of blame to go around.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:32pm
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I don't know why I'm even surprised anymore at the state of humanity today... the bottom line is that the govt, whether is was atf, fbi or reno, FUCKED UP and babies died as a result... the flack i recieved in the vein of "who gives a fuck, thats what they get for believing in koresh" really needs to be ratified in our society or we're no better than animals. Just like the recently helicopter attack on the iraqi civilians where the man KNEW there was babies in the vehicle and blasted it anyways... wtf?

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:59pm
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Koresh himself denied all allegations of polygamy and child abuse in public interviews. The popular media, disaffected Davidians, and spokespersons for the US government, however, tell sordid tales of Koresh's personal life

Kiri Jewell, daughter of Branch Davidian Sherri Jewell, claimed in testimony before Congress in 1995 that she was sexually molested at the age of 10 by Koresh, who then read to her from the Bible. She originally related the incident in a 1992 custody battle, and the judge ordered that she be kept away from Koresh and Mount Carmel

Right in your fact filled wiki article, So, you calling her a liar (Kiri Jewell)

Drink some more of that Kool-Aid

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:10pm
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i searched the page and find no instance of the word "kiri" or "jewell"

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:13pm
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My bad cross referencing w/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:29pm
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oh boy...show me ONE davidian testimony that he held anyone against their will or raped anybody...

Even if it were true, did those babies deserve to die because he was raping them?

seems your only god is the almighty media...

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:09pm
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Stealyourwife say's
(oh boy...show me ONE davidian testimony that he held anyone against their will or raped anybody...
Even if it were true, did those babies deserve to die because he was raping them? )

Am I very confused in your thinking here? It may be o.k. to rape and molest living women and children, but it is not o.k. to let babies die? Even though the pregnant women according to you had the choice to leave if they wanted to. Where does the problem come from here? On the FBI or the mother's of these unborn children. It sounds like these women if there were not being held should of made up their minds and saved these babies.
It was not the job of the FBI to make up these mothers minds. I am not sure what your very sick confused mind is thinking???? Again Koresh was a very sick and twisted man. Again end of story.
You mention that my God is the Media, no my God is even willing to help sick people like you if given the chance.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:50pm
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Well God bless ya if you are indeed being sincere but I don't consider myself "sick", as you presume. I was never defending Koresh or his "cult". I just don't chomp down on everything the media throws at me...I have what I consider a VERY HEALTHY skepticism of the media today and that skepticism is what yall may have interpreted as a pro-koresh sentiment.

I do feel that you, leobeerman, are either very sick or very confused. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING the killing of, not only the 2 unborn babies, but the 20 other children all under the age of 15. No matter WHAT they believe or what decisions they made. Being that they were Christians they most likely made a decision to honor thy mother and father and mom and pop told them to stay.

I tell you what I am sick of is people like you trying to defend a total disregard for human life in the name of "well they're all crazy"

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Gee, just yesterday stealyourwife you said Koresch was just a innocent guy that just spoke about Jesus. HUH??
Today your story changed again.
And about my disregard for life is this, if you or any other person came into my neighborhood and did to my family or friends what Koresch did to these women and children you are right. You would be dead.
No problem at all. I would sleep like a baby.
My suggestion to you is chill out, listen to some Dead and try to relax. Find a better person to try and make all of us here feel sorry about. I think you are on your own here.
Peace unto you.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I said people that I know who knew him said he was a regular guy who like to talk about Jesus.

stop trying to twist my words around and stop trying justify murdering babies.

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Yeah, Yeah,Yeah, BLah, Blah, Blah. Whatever.
You started this conversation and know your just rambling on trying to make youself look better. It's not working.
I still think your a IDIOT.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Is that all you got?

Stop pestering me, find another victim if that's what you're into. I'm sure there's a pre-school in your area

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I don't need to HAVE anything. If you do not like to try and back up your statements , next time be aware of what your posting. Think twice before you start spewing shit out of your mouth. This is a great music site, the Grateful Dead not a site for trying to get people to feel sorry for cult leaders and their members. Alive or dead. What happened was a terrible thing. Once again end of story. Keep it to yourself next time. Chill out listen to some music.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I knew exactly what I was posting, and I knew people like you were gonna pipe up with torches and pitchforks.

Clearly you are shook up about it, as you should be, but rather than questioning authority you try to lay blame at the feet of Koresh, basically saying that those children died for his sins.

Now you're realizing that your argument amounts a blathering hill of beans, so you're trying to scold me for being pro-Koresh, which I'm not, and for posting something non-dead related on a dead forum when we both know I'm not the only one who does it. I even attached the (Non-Dead) tag.

Which leads me to believe you're still attacking me because I posted something that took you out of your comfort zone and showed you a side of yourself that you don't like.

What do you expect to gain by pestering me?

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

One more time for you, END OF STORY. I have said that several times. Relax, listen to some great Dead. Give it a rest. Have a good life.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

There's no "END OF STORY" here ... it's not like you've enlightened me on anything. All you've done is jump in to take a free poke at somebody who was being ganged up on for speaking out against a murderous government. THATS THE END OF THE STORY.

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind." --George Orwell

THAT is all you've offered so far...political language...pure wind.

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Are you one of those ASSHOLES who just has to have the last word, even if it's just all bullshit.
ENOUGH ALREADY. Let's just agree to disagree or are we going to do this forever.
DAMN YOUR STARTING TO SOUND LIKE MY EX OLD LADY. ON, AND ON, AND ON. Give it a break.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

You're the one that insists on replying without making a point in your argument. What makes you think you can chide and shhh me?

"Agree to disagree"? Are you sure you wanna disagree with me, baby killer?

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Apr 20, 2010 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

o.k. how about FUCK YOU.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 20, 2010 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

no thanks

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 20, 2010 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right